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Every once in a while I get a note that I would like to pass along, this made me think.

Great work!

I can feel a conflict here about your DA followers not really accepting your versatility. You shouldn´t mind, actually if you keep up submitting abstracts -or any other style which I'm sure you're good at- you'll find there is a DA public too willing to see more of that, though at first it may seem less numerous  

And of course there are "the loyal ones" who will favorite your new trends and try to understand them even if it's not really what the expected in the first place  

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Teresa, I appreciate the sentiment. I do expect this kind of reaction or more "non-reaction" to these works after all it took me years to be able to think and express myself in this manner. What some fail to realize is that working in abstraction makes one a better realist, it frees your concepts and compositions, which in turn clarifies   that the "art" of just copying is anything but.

I'm a realist that's where my heart is,   I freely chose to intermittently experiment with abstraction for clarity sake, this "ism" lets me see within therefore I can better relate on how I see the world with my own artistic language.  After all, my goal is not just to transfer but to translate and reinvent what I observe.  The few who like these works make my day just as much as a thousand who like my graphite work.  For me it's all one and the same, for others it seems like a wide chasm of styles which I do understand.

Thanks

Armin

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gazdag01 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012
hi Nimra like the way I draw great pleasure we try I get you to look at my drawings and you give an opinion about them thank you in advance gazdag01
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Cloudstrive Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
In my opinion with realism the viewer see how good the artist was able to capture the real world and able to appreciate their talent and attention to detail. With Abstract and modern art, it's whatever the artist makes it out to be. fewer people can relate to a particular piece of abstract art, everyone feels differently. It becomes a problem though when any ordinary person can paint a few lines on a canvas and call it art.
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Cloudstrive Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
I'm a big fan of your art nimra, you inspire me and countless others.
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
thanks for your words, im not sure if an ordinary person can create great abstract art, sure you can get lucky. sometimes my car leaks oil and i look at the driveway it’s a beautiful spill pattern, the car inst the artist but the person recognizing it as art is. Just like any ism, abstraction isn't easy it seems easy but what you don't see is all the trail and error that goes into it before a great composition happens. again thank you

Armin
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Samarai Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012
I think I can recognize good art. Beyond that, I have no real desire to get into a debate. I will say that I do have my d'ruthers, when it comes to art, just like anything else. You come into my house, you will see a very eclectic array of types and kinds, though the majority of art on the wall is of the wildlife variety. Folks like Carl Brenders, Jorge Mayol and Bev Doolittle. I also have a pretty good collection of Michael Boyett castings, as well. Throw in some odds and ends of a cultural type, plus my toys and you have a pretty good idea. No abstract art, though. Just doesn't float my boat. Doesn't mean I discount it as art, though I have definitely seen some stuff over the years that was, at best, questionable. Jackson Pollack comes to mind, actually. He may have been recognized as a "great" artistic talent, but I just don't get randomly slopping paint on a 24' canvas. Wouldn't be interested in one, if I could buy it for pennies.

Not trying to sound like a snob, though. I think the point I want to make, really, is that we all have different tastes and thank what gods may be for it. Else, what a truly boring world it would be.
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Rich i do understand your point. Pollack is a hero of mine, that does not mean you're wrong and I'm right. And i wont try to sell you on that form of abstraction its pointless, but if you and i sat down with a beer or two i think i could get you to understand why something like a bunch of paint drips was due for serious concentration as art. I would not get you to like it but i think i could get you to understand its relevance within the chain of art history. that's what Jazz is to me....noise but that's only because I'm not a student of music, i would rather listen to Metallica than John William Coltrane, but i know instinctively the Coltrane has a deep relevance in music, i just don't know enough about it. the same hold true for art its not as simple as "I don't know art but i know what i like" its a part of history full of ideas and concepts that goes beyond mere decoration. well enough said my friend, thanks for the feedback
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Samarai Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012
Hell.. I'd just be tickled to sit down and have a beer with ya. Dos Equis dark, of course.. or, perhaps, Negra Modelo or even some [non-Canadian] Guinness Stout. Talk about whatever comes to mind.

Oddly enough, I have a similar problem with a lot of Jazz music. Wes Montgomery, though... there was a dude who transcended the genre for me. Shame he died so young. So, there are always exceptions. I actually like your abstract art. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your ass and tell you I love it, or would seriously consider hanging it in my home, but, yeah, it is not displeasing to the eye. I can definitely see the form and functionality [if that even makes sense] in it. It would not fade into the wall, over time.

Appreciate that you appreciate my input, in any event. Which, by the way.. I would be tickled pink to hang one of your realistic pieces in my home. If I could but afford one. ;)
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
thanks man, i like the candor, this is where DA works.............look forward to the Guinness Stout.
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janellemckain Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
A true artist works in many styles ("isms") and should never be limited to one or another... tho the gift may be stronger in one over another, this should not be limiting to a true artist. After all, art is about finding oneself and searching for truth in any and ALL media... isn't it? I know for a fact whenever I post a digital photomanipulation, or a painting, people don't comment or respond as they do with my pencil work. I don't really care.... I believe it is healthy to jump around and try on many hats, for inspiration and creativity's sake. Those who never do this are truly missing out!
I admire you for venturing out in other media... and you do a damn fine job of it, I must say.
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LadyRSanti Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional General Artist
All I can say is that I am envious that you even have viewers who give you the time of day. This makes me think as well, that what I do is not worth thinking about. :shrug:

You are doing just fine. :thumbsup:
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
wow..Mediocre in all things.....??? well Ive been part of DA for almost ten years so i have that as in advantage, i am also here to share my though and knowledge of being a working artists who is over 50 for from the norm here where most people are under 20. why do you think what you do is not worth thinking about, you have some great images? i know one thing even as a young boy i had confidence that i had the chops to make it, today i don't even know what that means but i do know that i have the drive to see it to the end and i have to have enough faith in myself or else is a waste of time.
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LadyRSanti Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Professional General Artist
Well said. I tried to do what you are doing on DA and failed, disillusioned now. Glad to see that someone is persevering. Happy for you and well deserved. Enjoy! :)
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SandraHultsved Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
DA is not the place to be, it might be a place to start. But if you want to become a professional and a better artist, you should seek out in the world and most importantly into your own heart.
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LadyRSanti Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Professional General Artist
Hi Sandra :wave:

I agree that DA is not the place to *be* but here we all are anyway :) I was a professional before I came to DA though. Personally, my reason for being on DA is that I miss being a part of an art community. Back in the day, in art school, I was surrounded by artists with similar interests and goals. After I graduated, top of my class, all fired up to be top in my field, all of that disappeared. I got married, had kids, moved to the sticks, didn't have the time to be in the mainstream - still don't, really. The only time I saw other artists was during the one day a year that we had an art show in our little community. Most of my competitors were grandmothers who painted as a hobby and they thought *I* was an artistic genius because they'd never seen otherwise! DA, I thought, would be the closest I could get to having peers while living out here in the country. But it hasn't panned out that way unfortunately and I still feel very isolated. I make these large pencil drawings and no one sees them. It's feeling more and more like a waste. I do it for myself, to fulfill that need to create but still... I do also make art to share and it's just not happening. Someday when I'm dead, someone will find all this unframed artwork and cash in. :P
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SandraHultsved Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I know, I'm starting to become so ambiguous:p But still I can't leave it all, there's no other place where I can follow the artists I like most. As a community it's ok, but it's so big and you might feel very small in this large mass.
I'm just in the beginning of my professional career, so who am I to give you advice. But just now I've moved to a big city, or I did live in a big city before too, but now I'm in the capital city and I started to meet so many people like myself and I can see so many more possibilities. Like places for exhibitions, places to find art that I like and things like that. It's just a matter of finding the right people. I feel very lucky that I have found so many wonderful people during my time here, and now I don't want to leave^^ Although I do wanna live in a smaller town later.
Maybe you can be a part of a bigger but still local art community? get out and search what's near you and you might find something fun:) maybe there's even a more local online community? Or try to get an exhibition in an other bigger town.
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Sandra, DA is one of many social art networks but it was one of the first, geared at that time to anime. Things have changed in ten years yeah its huge and I imagine if you get on today you would have a hard time getting noticed. For some it’s a on-line portfolio instead of a web page, I get much more traffic on DA then on my own website. Also im inspired by the creative and conceptual output on here, go to sites like ArtPapa and Wet Canvas and the conservative nature one these are leave me underwhelmed. No networking site will sell art for you even Facebook which works great for me at most puts me into contact with other artists and dealers, I still pound the pavement to get me art shown in galleries. DA is great for what it is, but it has limits for sure
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SandraHultsved Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I believe we agree then. DA was great when I first got here and I wouldn't have developed my skill this much, if I wouldn't had seen the fantastic realism artworks here. It have made me find and meet artists and art fans, that have supported me and my work. So I'm very grateful for where it has led me. But unfortunately, this is as far as it has led me. and I need to search in other places now, to be able to start my professional career. And I need to find real life contacts in my own country.
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TAZmaniandevil13 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
I tend to lean towards realism, but there is something so beautiful about abstract and surrealist art that I personally don't think that realism is able to achieve (and vice-versa)
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MidnightTea7 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional General Artist
:clap: I love to visit your account to find not only great art, but also great journals :) You do a good job on making people understand better what art really is or what it can be. There are just too many people that don't understand that we need to grow to do or appreciate art (or at least certain kinds of art) and that it's more than just a superficial beauty that can be judged or executed on a whim.

Also - yay for versatility!
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
thanks you that very kind! Armin
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Vasqi Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I'd agree with the statement about working in abstraction helping with realism as you said. But I also like what you mentioned about: "it took me years to be able to think and express myself in this manner."

I feel that, all too often, students dive into abstraction with out a strong foundation in realism. Such artists are literally "copying" the technique of abstraction, without actually understanding it. Abstraction really is something that must be arrived at.

So, the two really do play directly on one another. Each reveals the inner nature of the other.

1) The student copies nature until abstraction is revealed
2) The student explores abstraction until realism is revealed
3) The student explores realism until abstraction is understood
4) The student graduates.
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
great points, one thing i have always said abstraction isn't an illusion its paint on canvass with all its beauty of color composition and texture, it is what it is. Realism on the other hand is just an illusion of the real, therefore abstraction comes much to the soul, no pretense if its done right.
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Vasqi Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Filmographer
nice insight. I hadn't looked at it that way before. But now it's going down in my art journal with attribution to you.

...I'll have to meditate on that for awhile and perhaps even challenge it to see how it holds up.
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Shelfcloud Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Abstract is another cornerstone of art, just like realism. It gets lost when technical copy-catting where status talent has to be everything to acknowledge your performance as it happens to be convenient you like to draw. Just as "the loose" artist on the other side, where everything has to "tell" and has to be a sort of forced "not evident" work; only then it is art....bluuuhhh. People mostly forget that other cornerstones of art is art too, besides their own area of expertise or an overlap.

Just like you've said once: dogmatism.

I don't know what to prefer... I didn't fave your last work, but I also didn't on some realistic portraits of yours. Most of them I faved. I live the piece when i view it. Either I connect, or i don't, but that is a subjective taste anyway.
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arminmersmann Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
true Mike, the broader you look at art the more you understand, all "isms" have validity, and all "isms" are incredibly hard to create successfully. I am a realist, who strolls on the other side once in a while, that i get.
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Shelfcloud Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hope some day too.
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noisrevortni Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist
I agree that delving into abstract will help you with realism and vice versa. After all, if you just focus on one side of things, how could you truly become better overall? Some people get that and support it, others don't. C'est la vie. :shrug:
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meihua Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
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acjub Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think it's brilliant that you show how much you are capable of doing! I prefer your realism, but I love to see what you create no matter what it is, you're an inspiration. :clap:
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Hortensie-Stone Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I personally really like your abstract work. :) I generally prefer it to realism anyway but your realism was just so good I had to add you to my watch list.
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